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it is a choice right now between two alternatives. i think problem's is based on the reality of the decisions we must make together as a people if we want a better and stronger economy. don't miss lawrence o'donnell on msnbc, the place for politics. here is a look at other news. in south carolina, a viole attack caught on camera. a convicted robbery defendant surprised his public defender with a roundhouse hit in the face after getting a 15-year sentence. he was left with a bloody mouth. he had an additional six months tacked on to the sentence. >>> the trend of criminal behavior continues in florida. a man with a machete came into the police station. officers used a taser and tackled him to the ground. >>> on a much lighter note, a washington redskins fanatic transformed his yard into this scene. he used his skills to decorate his lawn with the logo and colors. he spends hundreds of dollars on mulch each year to freshen up the display. that is commitment. for more, we turn to bill karins. was there a refrigerator filled with beer the
it is a choice right now between two alternatives. i think problem's is based on the reality of the decisions we must make together as a people if we want a better and stronger economy. don't miss lawrence o'donnell on msnbc, the place for politics. here is a look at other news. in south carolina, a viole attack caught on camera. a convicted robbery defendant surprised his public defender with a roundhouse hit in the face after getting a 15-year sentence. he was left with a bloody mouth. he had...
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romney masks. >> jimmy: oh, you do. they look very good. >> knock, knock. >> jimmy: ah, who's there? >> kenya. >> jimmy: kenya who? >> can you believe that obama was born in america? we cannot! >> jimmy: all right, that's -- that's cute, that's cute. do you have another one? >> how obamas does it take to change a lightbulb? >> jimmy: i don't know. >> zero. they're all in the dark and it will change by itself. >> jimmy: oh, yeah, look at that. it's obama. >> we make many mistakes. >> jimmy: i can see that. it looks like that might be on backwards, though. >> oh. >> jimmy: yeah, yeah, there we go. hey, give us one more joke and i'll let you go, all right? >> okay, let's go. president obama -- >> jimmy: yeah, give us a good one. yeah. there's no rush. there's no rush. >> president obama is so -- >> jimmy: wait a minute. he's not fat at all! >> president obama is so fat -- >> jimmy: he's as skinny as a rail, but -- >> president obama is so fat -- >> jimmy: all right, how fat is he? >> he is so fat they had to make the oval
romney masks. >> jimmy: oh, you do. they look very good. >> knock, knock. >> jimmy: ah, who's there? >> kenya. >> jimmy: kenya who? >> can you believe that obama was born in america? we cannot! >> jimmy: all right, that's -- that's cute, that's cute. do you have another one? >> how obamas does it take to change a lightbulb? >> jimmy: i don't know. >> zero. they're all in the dark and it will change by itself. >> jimmy: oh, yeah,...
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. >> roll right over alex. >> whoa. >> the washington of romney rolled over the moderator last night? the thing about -- i came to first because i had writ ain't piece for the "new york" magazine, how to act human, giving romney advice. since then i've tried to pursue him, but that's not easy. he's elusive. >> yes. >> he keeps recasting himself, recasting himself. i've tried to flail it down. before last night's event i had come to the conclusion i finally had typecast him, because he can't play a character role, he's not a good enough actor. this is a conclusion i came to. that he is that boss who makes lame jokes at which we are compelled to laugh at peril of our jobs. >> yes. >> and -- >> i don't know any bosses like that. >> last night he more or less erased that image with the significant cooperation of the president, he presented a brand-new, as you said, and different romney relishing the occasion, filled with facts, right or wrong, true or false, but filled with them, and delivered with great conviction and with energy. unfortunately for the democratic campaign, another presid
. >> roll right over alex. >> whoa. >> the washington of romney rolled over the moderator last night? the thing about -- i came to first because i had writ ain't piece for the "new york" magazine, how to act human, giving romney advice. since then i've tried to pursue him, but that's not easy. he's elusive. >> yes. >> he keeps recasting himself, recasting himself. i've tried to flail it down. before last night's event i had come to the conclusion i...
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mitt romney says that is not the right assumption. if i cut taxes across the board and more money into piedmont acre pockets and spend more and have a lower tax rate and have more jobs and more own. >> stimulate the economy. >> and more money will come in. >> that is where the disagreement was. >> mitt romney does have some plans for cutting loopholes and some of these -- >> right. . he says we cut taxes and close loopholes and it becomes revenue neutral and president cited another studying saying you have to raise taxes on the middle class. that is why this becomes so hard to fact check one of these because they are both sort of saying things that are kind of true. >> let's switch to jobs. this doesn't have to do with the debate necessarily last night but it's critical. we have the big monthly jobs report tomorrow and we have some indicators -- >> two indicators. one is the adp a private sector report which historically has given you what is going on two days later and showed a big bump in private sector growth. the last couple of mo
mitt romney says that is not the right assumption. if i cut taxes across the board and more money into piedmont acre pockets and spend more and have a lower tax rate and have more jobs and more own. >> stimulate the economy. >> and more money will come in. >> that is where the disagreement was. >> mitt romney does have some plans for cutting loopholes and some of these -- >> right. . he says we cut taxes and close loopholes and it becomes revenue neutral and...
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and hard pressed states right now can't all do that. in fact, we've seen layoffs of hundreds of thousands of teachers over the last several years. and governor romney doesn't think we need more teachers, i do. i think that is the kin of investment where the federal government can help. it can't do it all. but it can make a difference, and as a consequence, we'll have a better trained workforce and that will create jobs, because companies want to locate in places where we have a skilled workforce. >> two minutes, governor. on the role of government, your view. >> well, first i love great schools. massachusetts, our schools are ranked number one in all 50 states. the key to great schools is great teachers. i reject the idea that i don't believe in good teachers or great teachers. every school district, every state, should make that decision on their own. the role of government, look behind us. the constitution and declaration of independence. the role of government is to promote and protect the principles of those documents. first, life a
and hard pressed states right now can't all do that. in fact, we've seen layoffs of hundreds of thousands of teachers over the last several years. and governor romney doesn't think we need more teachers, i do. i think that is the kin of investment where the federal government can help. it can't do it all. but it can make a difference, and as a consequence, we'll have a better trained workforce and that will create jobs, because companies want to locate in places where we have a skilled...
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he's ridiculing mitt romney right now. let's listen in. >> don't want what he's been selling over the last year. governor romney may dance around his positions. he may do a tap dance and a two-step, but if you want to be president, then you owe the american people the truth. so here's the truth. governor romney cannot pay for his $5 trillion tax plan without blowing up the deficit or sticking it to the middle class. we can't afford to go down that road again. we can't afford another round of budget busting tax cuts for the wealthy. we can't afford to gut our investments in education or clean energy or research or technology. we can't afford to roll back regulations on wall street banks or oil companies or insurance companies. we can't afford to double down on the same topdown economic policies that got us into this mess. that is not a jobs plan. it's not a plan for our economy. it's not a plan to strengthened middle class. it is not change. it is a relapse. and we're not going to do it. we have been there. we have tried th
he's ridiculing mitt romney right now. let's listen in. >> don't want what he's been selling over the last year. governor romney may dance around his positions. he may do a tap dance and a two-step, but if you want to be president, then you owe the american people the truth. so here's the truth. governor romney cannot pay for his $5 trillion tax plan without blowing up the deficit or sticking it to the middle class. we can't afford to go down that road again. we can't afford another round...
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so the danger of this tax reform trap that governor romney is trying to sell right now is that you're going to end up with massively lower tax rates and you're not going to broaden the base much at all such that you'll have an explosive budget deficit, it's very much what we saw in the bush supply side trickle down years. >> bob, debatess left. the vice presidential debate, the town hall presidential debate and then the debate on foreign policy. >> i think we throw out the myth that somehow or other only the first debates matter. i think the other debates will have big audiences. i'm through with the expectations game. i think vice president biden will do very well next week. i think the president will bring his best game to these next two debates. this guy is a fourth quarter player. we saw it on health care and in the 2008 primaries. when the going to gets tough, when the pressure is on, he really steps up to it. i think barack obama whether do very well in these next two debates and i think as voters think about this,do very well in these next two debates and i think as voters thin
so the danger of this tax reform trap that governor romney is trying to sell right now is that you're going to end up with massively lower tax rates and you're not going to broaden the base much at all such that you'll have an explosive budget deficit, it's very much what we saw in the bush supply side trickle down years. >> bob, debatess left. the vice presidential debate, the town hall presidential debate and then the debate on foreign policy. >> i think we throw out the myth that...
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it felt to me like mitt romney showed up thinking that his goal was to be the alpha male. >> right. >> and that he needed to assert his dominance over everyone there, and certainly jim lehrer bore the brunt, the president as well. i got the sense that for him it was a dominance thing. it was very aggressive, and i agree with joy, i think a lot of women, particularly women who were already inclined to vote for the president, which as we know many women are, are going to be further turned off by that tone. >> do you think that he was like that because of the goading that he's had from republicans who feel that he's a bit e feet, that he's not really tough enough, that he hasn't gone out and beaten everybody up? >> i think it's part of that. if you go back and look at the primary debates, mitt romney was largely the same way. he's a vicious debater. he gets in there and his goal is to shred everyone who is on that stage. i think the only change from the primaries is that he took on the newt gingrich role of including the moderator in the beating he was trying to give. >> newt's advice. >
it felt to me like mitt romney showed up thinking that his goal was to be the alpha male. >> right. >> and that he needed to assert his dominance over everyone there, and certainly jim lehrer bore the brunt, the president as well. i got the sense that for him it was a dominance thing. it was very aggressive, and i agree with joy, i think a lot of women, particularly women who were already inclined to vote for the president, which as we know many women are, are going to be further...
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hilary's right. he was shocked at all this new romney stuff. he still could have listened. he still could have reacted to some of what mitt romney said. >> he said something about needs to get a better accountant. >> he absolutely said your math doesn't add up. you're going to cut taxes by 20%. he said, no, i'm not going to cut any taxes but i'm going to cut taxes for the people who pay them by 20% and then i'm going to find them money through these loopholes. which loopholes? there's a thousand tax credits and loopholes. he didn't name one. not one. >> no, but one thing we know is -- >> what he proposed was a general cap on the number of loopholes you can claim, which is actually a totally reasonable way to do tax reform. it gets you out of the problem of sort of litigating each and every loop. >> arguing about substance. why? >> here is something that the president clearly did which was he said, all right, mitt romney's going to go out and do this. in many ways mitt romney just made the next three weeks for himself miserable. >> oh, sure. totally. he's going to be sitting
hilary's right. he was shocked at all this new romney stuff. he still could have listened. he still could have reacted to some of what mitt romney said. >> he said something about needs to get a better accountant. >> he absolutely said your math doesn't add up. you're going to cut taxes by 20%. he said, no, i'm not going to cut any taxes but i'm going to cut taxes for the people who pay them by 20% and then i'm going to find them money through these loopholes. which loopholes?...
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i think romney will. neil: all right. i'm surprised it's not the president. >> it's not the president. neil: congressman, thank you, very much. we are nine minutes away from the first debate, and each side has got so many recommendations it gets old, but the one consistent one that you hear from mitt romney tonight is this -- show some passion, get aggressive, get in your face. is this the night the mormon goes storming? pat buchanan on that after this. ♪ ...seems like you guys got a little gassed out there. enough already. c'mon guys. next question. hello! what's your favorite color? what's my favorite color? yes. purple. what's your favorite animal? sea turtle. what's your bedtime? do you believe in space aliens? ...i love puppies. hash browns or home fries? home fries. do you like my dress? why can't you guys ask good questions like this? [ morgan ] for a chance to interview an nfl player... join visa nfl fan offers and make your season epic. ♪ neil: man, oh, man, thousands of journalist, a packed house in that deb
i think romney will. neil: all right. i'm surprised it's not the president. >> it's not the president. neil: congressman, thank you, very much. we are nine minutes away from the first debate, and each side has got so many recommendations it gets old, but the one consistent one that you hear from mitt romney tonight is this -- show some passion, get aggressive, get in your face. is this the night the mormon goes storming? pat buchanan on that after this. ♪ ...seems like you guys got a...
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it was a debate between a rusty president obama and a well rehearsed mitt romney. >> reporter: right out of the gate, it was clear, mitt romney came to play. >> the president has a view very similar to the view he had when he ran four years ago that a bigger government, spending more, taxing more, regulating more, if you will, trickle down government would work. >> reporter: president obama sounded a familiar alarm, warning of romney's been there, done that economics. >> the approach that governor romney is talking about is the same sales pitch made in 2001 and 2003. and we ended up with the slowest job growth in 50 years. >> reporter: but whether it was health care, jobs, or medicare, it was romney who stood out for his aggressive style. >> i just don't know how the president could have come into office facing 23 million people out of work, rising unemployment, an economic crisis at the kitchen table and spend his energy and passion for two years fighting for obama care. >> reporter: the president made his points in a slower, laid back manner, often appearing disengaged. it's not th
it was a debate between a rusty president obama and a well rehearsed mitt romney. >> reporter: right out of the gate, it was clear, mitt romney came to play. >> the president has a view very similar to the view he had when he ran four years ago that a bigger government, spending more, taxing more, regulating more, if you will, trickle down government would work. >> reporter: president obama sounded a familiar alarm, warning of romney's been there, done that economics. >>...
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. >> that's the right sound bite. after that sound bite, obama then attacked jet owners saying if you have a private jet you should be taxed more. even romney, he's pretty wealthy himself, he refused to come to the support of the wealthy. skip that sound bite i guess. of course, no one should feel sorry for the rich. let's save our tears for poor big bird. but the debate showed both sides are really trying to distance themselves from the 1% even though 1% pay a lot of taxes in this country and of course they are funding a lot of this race and a lot of money for these two candidates. >> twaes geit was genius. romney's move more to the sernd was the best thing he could have done. i wrote months ago why he should support the buffett rule. i know it is painful. i understand a lot of our viewers will be hit by it but it takes it off the board politically. genius political move by romney last night. >> we'll see whether or not it actually works and pays off. >> i agree. >> it only matter if the undecideds watched the debate
. >> that's the right sound bite. after that sound bite, obama then attacked jet owners saying if you have a private jet you should be taxed more. even romney, he's pretty wealthy himself, he refused to come to the support of the wealthy. skip that sound bite i guess. of course, no one should feel sorry for the rich. let's save our tears for poor big bird. but the debate showed both sides are really trying to distance themselves from the 1% even though 1% pay a lot of taxes in this...
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what was romney doing? he was winning. >> he was winning. >> all right. good morning. it's thursday, october 4th. welcome to "morning joe." wow! page turns a bit. with us on set, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle and national affairs for "new york" magazine and political analyst john heilemann. and in nashville, i love nashville, pulitzer prize-winning historian jon meacham. meacham. should we go right there? >> in one second. i've -- we've got to set this up first for mike barnicle. we've all been saying the same thing. phone calls coming in last night from my democratic friends, independent friends, republicans, everybody's been asking the same thing, where did this come from? we've never seen this mitt romney before, but you say you have. >> yes, this is how mitt romney became governor of massachusetts in 2002 during a series of debates. he was exactly this way as he was last night. he came in prepared. he had a plan. he executed it. he was armed with specific information. he went right at the opponent. then it was shannon o'brien running for governor against
what was romney doing? he was winning. >> he was winning. >> all right. good morning. it's thursday, october 4th. welcome to "morning joe." wow! page turns a bit. with us on set, we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle and national affairs for "new york" magazine and political analyst john heilemann. and in nashville, i love nashville, pulitzer prize-winning historian jon meacham. meacham. should we go right there? >> in one second. i've -- we've got to set...
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. >> right now it's down to about 66% in trade obviously suggesting romney got a big boost. >> mini flash crash. >> among our political guests this morning ready to talk about the road to election today, arianna huffington will be our guest host. huffington "post" obviously has a left bent, but it was declaring romney won the debate. ken duberstein will join us, as well. >> i was reading some of your tweets last night, john, and i liked your tweet. i tell you what i took away from the entire debate because i want to let you say it, but i saw what's possible in a life spent without any alcohol. i saw what i could have possibly been -- i saw how i could have possibly been able to talk if i had all the brain cells that i started with. and that was what i came away with. that i just wish in a maybe i had considered that path maybe of being, you negotiation life of sobriety. anyway, what did you think, john? >> well, romney considered that path and he took that path, joe, and he tried to press his case last night. the challenge for him was to come out with the kind of aggression that could sco
. >> right now it's down to about 66% in trade obviously suggesting romney got a big boost. >> mini flash crash. >> among our political guests this morning ready to talk about the road to election today, arianna huffington will be our guest host. huffington "post" obviously has a left bent, but it was declaring romney won the debate. ken duberstein will join us, as well. >> i was reading some of your tweets last night, john, and i liked your tweet. i tell you...
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is right and mitt romney goes totally mental -- >> right. short of something shocking i don't think we'll see much of a movement. >> stephanie: all right. thank you, honey. jacki schechner. >> the dnc has put together a video showing mitt romney steam rolling over the format of last night's debate -- >> just bulldozer -- >> we're going to move -- >> i have to respond to that -- >> no -- >> which is -- which is my experience -- >> jim lehrer did not handle his moderator role very well. but the president had four more minutes of tv time. during the primaries mitt romney often had more speaking time than his opponents. as for mr. lehrer he only spoke 9% of the time during the republican primaries moderators weighed in an average of twice that much. so in the aftermath as steph and i were discussing what does it all mean. he could get some more cash he could get a few more undecided voters, and republicans could show some renewed industry. but substance should trump style in the long run. we'll be back with more stephanie after the break. stay w
is right and mitt romney goes totally mental -- >> right. short of something shocking i don't think we'll see much of a movement. >> stephanie: all right. thank you, honey. jacki schechner. >> the dnc has put together a video showing mitt romney steam rolling over the format of last night's debate -- >> just bulldozer -- >> we're going to move -- >> i have to respond to that -- >> no -- >> which is -- which is my experience -- >> jim lehrer...